Rotrex Supercharger

[XDevolution]

Rotrex has a supercharger for the yaris ts (non-turbo) correct me if im wrong but isnt that the same platform and engine as our cars? cause if your thinking what im thinking , i think this supercharger will be compatable with our cars as well. feedback please!!! :-D

[xd_kidd]

Rotrex has a supercharger for the yaris ts (non-turbo) correct me if im wrong but isnt that the same platform and engine as our cars? cause if your thinking what im thinking , i think this supercharger will be compatable with our cars as well. feedback please!!! :-D

it can be done.. about 2200 for the kit .. about 500-600 to install .. about another around 1200 for emanage/tuning.

[XDevolution]

there is no possible way to do a self install? and i heard that its already pre tuned for 6 psi, youtube the video i saw it and the guy has the ts completely stock except for an 80mm pulley for added boost and there was no re-flash or anything, but i might be wrong, is tuning needed or is it optional? thats my question.

[xd_kidd]

Its optional. The car can prolly run safely if it runs 5-6psi tops but ii wld be peranoid to push it. Anymore than that and you can face some engine damage in the long run

[CXTKRS1]

it can be done.. about 2200 for the kit .. about 500-600 to install .. about another around 1200 for emanage/tuning.

Just to get your doors blown off by a Mazdaspeed3. :o

[XDevolution]

so basically even if u do set it to a safe boost level there is still chance of some engine damage/failure anyway? some time eventually ofcourse? accordin to the sources i saw some guy set it to 6 psi and his engne only lasted another 36k miles. i rather keep simple bolt ons with a tune if thats gonna be the situation.

[xd_kidd]

Just to get your doors blown off by a Mazdaspeed3. :o

actually it was a mazdaspeed 6 lol .. thats why im considering getn my volvo back next yr. i want the s60R. but im sure ii will miss this lil box. gots good gas milage lol

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actually because the the xd is light.. with alil over 200 horses... it will run in the 13s .. in the high 200's it can do 12's based on how the 03-08 corollas do in that power range. but yea tuning is something your gonna want

[XDevolution]

The supercharger is now available to purchase, to bad i dont have 11Gs to spend on it :/ yea $11,000 the price is 9'990 CHF which is switzerland/france currency and when i used a converter to see how much it would cost here it came out to like $10,740. I dont think it will cost that much but thats what i got so far.

[Whack-A-Mole]

The supercharger is now available to purchase, to bad i dont have 11Gs to spend on it :/ yea $11,000 the price is 9'990 CHF which is switzerland/france currency and when i used a converter to see how much it would cost here it came out to like $10,740. I dont think it will cost that much but thats what i got so far.

Yeah, I would love to have this kit as well! The 9'990 price is a little above 10k US, but if you translate the page that includes dealer installation!
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.bemani.ch/Toyota_Yaris_K.htm&ei=AaX_TIbUGMSBlAf4lZT4CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.bemani.ch/Toyota_Yaris_K.htm%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DOmM%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Div
Here is the what the kit includes.http://www.bemani.ch/Site/images/Kompressor/Toyota%20Yaris%20TS%20bemani%20Teilesatz.jpg
Now if we could someone that speaks German and a place to buy it. Oh yeah, and ditch the exhaust.

[x2cafn8dx]

actually it was a mazdaspeed 6 lol .. thats why im considering getn my volvo back next yr. i want the s60R. but im sure ii will miss this lil box. gots good gas milage lol


I want a V70R.. i <3 wagons

[xd_kidd]

I want a V70R.. i <3 wagons

another volvo fan :hands: haha. its a true sleeper. v70R are fast!!! and I like the new v50 t5 too its like a bit of down grade of a v70R .. but ii like the looks and with 220hp turbo awd 6spd ii cannot complain lol

[Whack-A-Mole]

Hey, you live in merry-land right? Go to Under Dog Racing (Huntingtown, MD 20639), and harass them until they build a C15-60 rotrex kit for our car. They seem to use rotrex in their other toyota s/c kits.

[xd_kidd]

Ii would but ii already spend my last 6k on school. Coilovers. And meaningless crap =/ lol

[XDevolution]

I don't understand how the fit, and the brand new fiesta have turbo's and more performance parts available for them. as far as im concerned those cars arnt even worth upgrading...the fit i kinda understand cus thats our competition but the fiesta???? come on man.

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Yeah, I would love to have this kit as well! The 9'990 price is a little above 10k US, but if you translate the page that includes dealer installation!
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.bemani.ch/Toyota_Yaris_K.htm&ei=AaX_TIbUGMSBlAf4lZT4CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.bemani.ch/Toyota_Yaris_K.htm%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DOmM%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Div
Here is the what the kit includes.http://www.bemani.ch/Site/images/Kompressor/Toyota%20Yaris%20TS%20bemani%20Teilesatz.jpg
Now if we could someone that speaks German and a place to buy it. Oh yeah, and ditch the exhaust.

There is no need for the exhaust that would probably knock off like 1G and i think that its optional anyway, that price given was the cost of the kit plus installation so im pretty sure an experianced person can do a self install. knockin off yet another 1G mayb 2G's so were lookin at possibly a $7G kit but with that installed on an XD its gonna be a little torque monster :)

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I did a calcuation as of to what the power output would be in american units and were lookin at 212HP/ and 200ft/lb torque given the kit is installed with the pre-set tune. So lets see, add the weapon r headers, the nst crank pulley, magnaflow cat-back and a good intake, the XD can output mayb 245WHP with probable 240 or more ft/lb of torque.

[CXTKRS1]

I don't understand how the fit, and the brand new fiesta have turbo's and more performance parts available for them. as far as im concerned those cars arnt even worth upgrading...the fit i kinda understand cus thats our competition but the fiesta???? come on man.

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There is no need for the exhaust that would probably knock off like 1G and i think that its optional anyway, that price given was the cost of the kit plus installation so im pretty sure an experianced person can do a self install. knockin off yet another 1G mayb 2G's so were lookin at possibly a $7G kit but with that installed on an XD its gonna be a little torque monster :)

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I did a calcuation as of to what the power output would be in american units and were lookin at 212HP/ and 200ft/lb torque given the kit is installed with the pre-set tune. So lets see, add the weapon r headers, the nst crank pulley, magnaflow cat-back and a good intake, the XD can output mayb 245WHP with probable 240 or more ft/lb of torque.

Not to throw a wrench into those....mathematics... but the internals will not hold up under that kind of load over a long period of time.

[xd_kidd]

200hp shud be internal friendly with our cars .. ii say 230hp with a good tune tops.. anything more than that could cause failure

[Whack-A-Mole]

Not to throw a wrench into those....mathematics... but the internals will not hold up under that kind of load over a long period of time.

Lighten up Negative Nancie. How do you figure it won't hold up? Hopefully you're not parroting something someone has said because it sounds good. Of coarse forced induction puts more stress on parts causing extra wear. It happens in all engines. If you want your motor to last forever, never turn it on.

Man, if they're covering it with a factory warranty by toyota in Switzerland. It should be fairly reliable. If available, I would buy one for my car. My car may not last 250k, but it should last over 130k with moderate boost, tune, and fuel system upgrade.

[xd_kidd]

Of coarse forced induction puts more stress on parts causing extra wear. It happens in all engines. If you want your motor to last forever, never turn it on.

M

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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[XDevolution]

Lighten up Negative Nancie. How do you figure it won't hold up? Hopefully you're not parroting something someone has said because it sounds good. Of coarse forced induction puts more stress on parts causing extra wear. It happens in all engines. If you want your motor to last forever, never turn it on.

Man, if they're covering it with a factory warranty by toyota in Switzerland. It should be fairly reliable. If available, I would buy one for my car. My car may not last 250k, but it should last over 130k with moderate boost, tune, and fuel system upgrade.

In your opinion what is an optimal boost level for our cars? the video on youtube i spoke of earlier states that whoever purchased the kit tuned it to 12 psi and it only lasted him 36K miles (yaris ts) the pre set boost level is 6 psi i believe, so would that mean the car would last only 72k miles....and would it be recommended to leave the pre-set tune or or get it tuned after purchase. And fuel system upgrade? mean larger injectors? or what exactly?

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.......and bottom line 7K for a supercharger kit is just ridiculous anyway, with that your better off gettin custom work done. It would be a nice addition to the engine bay and performance wise it will do well but for the price again, i"ll keep to simple bolt-ons.

[CXTKRS1]

Lighten up Negative Nancie. How do you figure it won't hold up? Hopefully you're not parroting something someone has said because it sounds good. Of coarse forced induction puts more stress on parts causing extra wear. It happens in all engines. If you want your motor to last forever, never turn it on.

Man, if they're covering it with a factory warranty by toyota in Switzerland. It should be fairly reliable. If available, I would buy one for my car. My car may not last 250k, but it should last over 130k with moderate boost, tune, and fuel system upgrade.


Forced induction will cause parts to wear down faster :boxed: really and I only thought running the bottle caused that. :rolleyes: In reality you have no idea how long this car will last with even moderate levels of boost such as 6 PSI. The amount of research done on this topic is few and far between. I can also promise you Toyota NA will never cover that under the factory warranty. I just cannot see the point in paying several thousand dollars just so you can still have your doors blown off by real performance cars.

[Whack-A-Mole]

If they make it available to purchase, I would leave it at stock boost pressure. It looks like they include injectors with the kit from the pictured. It's not fair to say because a car with 12psi lasted 36k so 6psi would last 72k. There is no telling what he has or has not done. If you want to learn more on forced induction check out these sites:http://scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63570
http://www.custom-car.us/default.aspx
http://www.superchargersonline.com/contentcat.asp?group=2&offset=0
http://www.superstreetonline.com/techarticles/130_0909_turbocharge_understanding_guide/index.html
When increasing compression or adding boost to your car you want to use high octane gas.

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Forced induction will cause parts to wear down faster :boxed: really and I only thought running the bottle caused that. :rolleyes: In reality you have no idea how long this car will last with even moderate levels of boost such as 6 PSI. The amount of research done on this topic is few and far between. I can also promise you Toyota NA will never cover that under the factory warranty. I just cannot see the point in paying several thousand dollars just so you can still have your doors blown off by real performance cars.

You can still blow your engine with nos or starting fluid. I don't like nos because it can run out, and constantly have to refill. As for cars of faster performance, I bought this car because it encompassed everything I wanted. If I wanted I could have bought a used (insert car here) instead of a newer XD. I don't want a drag queen, I like that's a hatch back, I like the fuel economy, I like that I don't see them everywhere, I like that its fairly light, and I like the dependability and resale value. This is an enthusiast site, and I can't imagine why someone would want to go around and crap on someone's idea without any info to backup their indiscriminate negativity.
As for not being covered by warranty, did you look at the translated site I posted? Its clearly states "As of March 2009 there was the Toyota Yaris bemani edition every Toyota dealer from CHF 33'900 .00 to buy a limited. Diese Sonderedition wurde vom Importeur lanciert und unterstützt. This special edition has been launched by the importer and supported. Somit gelten die wie für jeden Toyota üblichen Garantie- und Gratisservice-Leistungen. Therefore applicable to any such standard Toyota warranty and free services." Which means over in Switzerland or wherever this is put out. It is covered under warranty. If you would like to see the site I'll post the link again.http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.bemani.ch/Toyota_Yaris_K.htm&ei=AaX_TIbUGMSBlAf4lZT4CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.bemani.ch/Toyota_Yaris_K.htm%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DOmM%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Div

[Whack-A-Mole]

Here's a video with the Yaris TS with bemani rotrex kit. I believe he's from Germany. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4ai0i7yncE&feature=youtube_gdata
Apparently this place sales the kit. http://www.trc-tuning.com/
It's located in Germany, and they don't have any distributors in the US. They do however have a distributor in Canada.


Onderground-Design

Official TRC Main Agent Distributor for Canada

c/o Eric Belec
1355 Tellier Street, Laval, Quebec
Phone:450-667-3939

[XDevolution]

yea the kit is such a great idea but its just too much money to again get our doors blown off by better cars, and for 7K i could get evry performance part available for the Xd and still have money left over to do custom work (port n polished heads etc...)

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Here's a video with the Yaris TS with bemani rotrex kit. I believe he's from Germany. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4ai0i7yncE&feature=youtube_gdata
Apparently this place sales the kit. http://www.trc-tuning.com/
It's located in Germany, and they don't have any distributors in the US. They do however have a distributor in Canada.


Onderground-Design

Official TRC Main Agent Distributor for Canada

c/o Eric Belec
1355 Tellier Street, Laval, Quebec
Phone:450-667-3939

is it possible to purchase the kit from them? in canada?

[xd_kidd]

thats just spending more money for importing when you can have something done here

[cobaltbravo]

Not to rain on the parade, but the yaris and xd have two fairly diffrent motors, as far as slapping parts on goes. We share our suspension and I think maybe a few parts on the trans, but that's about it. Toyota of north america will never cover this either. Sure, the swiss may, but their warranty ain't gonna mean jack to your local dealership. Superchargers are fine if the kit is made for the model, but otherwise don't waste your time, turbo is easier and prob cheaper in the long run. And all FI will wear your motor/drivetrain faster, its going to happen for nitrous,for turbos,etc. You want a faster xd? Get ten fellow xd owners with four grand in their pockets and call ptuning. They offered last year, I was the only one willing to pay to play, so they didn't make it. End rant.

[xd_kidd]

Oo you guys lol

[Resolve]

Not to rain on the parade, but the yaris and xd have two fairly diffrent motors, as far as slapping parts on goes. We share our suspension and I think maybe a few parts on the trans, but that's about it.Not to rain on your parade, but the TS Yaris has the same 1.8L engine the xD has and even mounted in the car the same way. The base yaris yes only has the 1.5 motor so will not match up.

Superchargers are fine if the kit is made for the model, but otherwise don't waste your time, turbo is easier and prob cheaper in the long run. Please enlighten why adding a supercharger that is not part of a kit is different then adding a turbo that is not a kit?

If that was true then all the Domestic Muscle cars that add the big Weiand Superchargers are a waste of time as you say it. It's all FI that compresses air going into the engine. Only difference is Turbos run off exhaust gases and Supercharger runs off an Accessory Belt. Based on engine compartment I think it would be easuer to mount a supercharger in an xD than a turbo if someone would be brave enough to custom make a flange for it to bolt to the block.and figure out belts sizes and routing. They both have pros and cons but I wouldnt say either are a waste.

The main problem Scion will have is tuning. Finding someone that will/can tune the vehicle for boost. There are people out there have or had turbos on the xD and driving them. So creating a kit is not the issue. Tuning is. I am waiting on an update from SL about dude who had his boosted and runs 5psi with stock ECM. He was running no problem at last update. Only run into problems with more boost. Not saying you shouldn't get a tune anytime you boost because in perfect world you should, but not always necesary if low boost (within reason and capabilities of engine) and you monitor what's going on while hitting boost.

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Looking at it and assuming previous cost are approx right so you are looking at about $7K to have a supercharger that is made for the engine and has been r&d and it is european (german or switzerland) so should be a reliable part. I would say it is alot of money yes, but if it is reliable and is made for this engine and works well and to be one of few to have it in USA i would say worth it. Sometimes you got to pay to play. only problem I see, which isnt necissarly a problem to me is that you loose your A/C. Looking at the pics they place where you put the propeller pulley is where the A/C is.

The increase in HP is about 81HP. So cost to increase is about .0115HP (81/7000) per dollar. That may not be alot, but when you consider what people pay for exhaust compared to gains then it is about average if not better. say you get 5HP from exhaust and you spend 350 you get .0142HP (5/350) per dollar.

[CXTKRS1]

Not to rain on your parade, but the TS Yaris has the same 1.8L engine the xD has and even mounted in the car the same way. The base yaris yes only has the 1.5 motor so will not match up.

Please enlighten why adding a supercharger that is not part of a kit is different then adding a turbo that is not a kit?

If that was true then all the Domestic Muscle cars that add the big Weiand Superchargers are a waste of time as you say it. It's all FI that compresses air going into the engine. Only difference is Turbos run off exhaust gases and Supercharger runs off an Accessory Belt. Based on engine compartment I think it would be easuer to mount a supercharger in an xD than a turbo if someone would be brave enough to custom make a flange for it to bolt to the block.and figure out belts sizes and routing. They both have pros and cons but I wouldnt say either are a waste.

The main problem Scion will have is tuning. Finding someone that will/can tune the vehicle for boost. There are people out there have or had turbos on the xD and driving them. So creating a kit is not the issue. Tuning is. I am waiting on an update from SL about dude who had his boosted and runs 5psi with stock ECM. He was running no problem at last update. Only run into problems with more boost. Not saying you shouldn't get a tune anytime you boost because in perfect world you should, but not always necesary if low boost (within reason and capabilities of engine) and you monitor what's going on while hitting boost.

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Looking at it and assuming previous cost are approx right so you are looking at about $7K to have a supercharger that is made for the engine and has been r&d and it is european (german or switzerland) so should be a reliable part. I would say it is alot of money yes, but if it is reliable and is made for this engine and works well and to be one of few to have it in USA i would say worth it. Sometimes you got to pay to play. only problem I see, which isnt necissarly a problem to me is that you loose your A/C. Looking at the pics they place where you put the propeller pulley is where the A/C is.

The increase in HP is about 81HP. So cost to increase is about .0115HP (81/7000) per dollar. That may not be alot, but when you consider what people pay for exhaust compared to gains then it is about average if not better. say you get 5HP from exhaust and you spend 350 you get .0142HP (5/350) per dollar.

Yeah you lost me after the whole A/C delete part.

[Resolve]

Yeah you lost me after the whole A/C delete part.lol yeah most people wont want to lose the a/c. but I have driven vehicles for a long time without it. so I am used to it. It is good to have but to me personally not a necessity. When I had my first gen xb I only used the a/c when it was really hot and sitting in traffic, other wise I cruised around with the windows down.

[Whack-A-Mole]

Are you sure it replaces the compressor, or does it sit between the alternator and compressor? I usually don't use the ac, but in a high humidity hot day that has been going bad, ac is usually a good reprieve. It would be a deal breaker for me.
I also followed the ptunning thread, but when I asked them to sell themselves abit they were melancholy. Responding only to ask the TC people what they thought of their kit. I took their attitude as how they would approach the project and so I didn't pony up. I am a grown man, and I don't want to mess with an aloof company. 2g's up front and they'll do you a favor!

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It looks like it sits between the alternator and compressor. I could be wrong though. Here's a pic:http://www.trc-tuning.com/_products/_toyota_lexus/_yaris_verso/_yaris_2005/_trc_yaris_ts_compressor_03f.jpg

[Resolve]

Looking at it again you are probably right. It probably does sit between the alt and a/c. must be a tight fit. looks like the a/c hoses are still there. I just looked quick and didn't see the a/c compressor and saw where they were sitting it. good catch.

[CXTKRS1]

If they make it available to purchase, I would leave it at stock boost pressure. It looks like they include injectors with the kit from the pictured. It's not fair to say because a car with 12psi lasted 36k so 6psi would last 72k. There is no telling what he has or has not done. If you want to learn more on forced induction check out these sites:http://scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63570
http://www.custom-car.us/default.aspx
http://www.superchargersonline.com/contentcat.asp?group=2&offset=0
http://www.superstreetonline.com/techarticles/130_0909_turbocharge_understanding_guide/index.html
When increasing compression or adding boost to your car you want to use high octane gas.

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You can still blow your engine with nos or starting fluid. I don't like nos because it can run out, and constantly have to refill. As for cars of faster performance, I bought this car because it encompassed everything I wanted. If I wanted I could have bought a used (insert car here) instead of a newer XD. I don't want a drag queen, I like that's a hatch back, I like the fuel economy, I like that I don't see them everywhere, I like that its fairly light, and I like the dependability and resale value. This is an enthusiast site, and I can't imagine why someone would want to go around and crap on someone's idea without any info to backup their indiscriminate negativity.
As for not being covered by warranty, did you look at the translated site I posted? Its clearly states "As of March 2009 there was the Toyota Yaris bemani edition every Toyota dealer from CHF 33'900 .00 to buy a limited. Diese Sonderedition wurde vom Importeur lanciert und unterstützt. This special edition has been launched by the importer and supported. Somit gelten die wie für jeden Toyota üblichen Garantie- und Gratisservice-Leistungen. Therefore applicable to any such standard Toyota warranty and free services." Which means over in Switzerland or wherever this is put out. It is covered under warranty. If you would like to see the site I'll post the link again.http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.bemani.ch/Toyota_Yaris_K.htm&ei=AaX_TIbUGMSBlAf4lZT4CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.bemani.ch/Toyota_Yaris_K.htm%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DOmM%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Div

Again I know it is covered by Toyota over in Europe but what about over here? It might work but I promise you unless you know the service manager their will an up hill battle with this, please don't call a nitrous oxide nos either. I have no problem with people wanting to make their xD's faster but I know nothing will come of this. From headers, to intakes, and forced induction company after company has turned us down because of lack of interest. If we can get a company to produce a kit similar to the one in Europe stateside then we could have a good kit that would be reasonably priced.

[Whack-A-Mole]

I would be down for a state side kit. I was referring to Toyota covering the kit under warranty in Europe as a idea of how safe the kit would be considered. You know after liability people give the kit a once over and decide to cover it (in europe) then you know it's fairly safe. I would not expect Toyota in the states to cover a kit they don't distribute.

[XDevolution]

bringing this thread back from the dead, has anyone heard of any updates on FI projects. i kinda gave up on modding for the moment to save cash but it still would be cool to see a supercharger or just new parts in general to come out

[C4W22]

Forced induction will cause parts to wear down faster :boxed: really and I only thought running the bottle caused that. :rolleyes: In reality you have no idea how long this car will last with even moderate levels of boost such as 6 PSI. The amount of research done on this topic is few and far between. I can also promise you Toyota NA will never cover that under the factory warranty. I just cannot see the point in paying several thousand dollars just so you can still have your doors blown off by real performance cars.

/thread.

[Resolve]

DEFINE real performance cars?

You mean like Camaros and Mustangs etc.. Where people also put thousands into to make faster and still get their doors blown off by STOCK Porsches, Lambos, etc.

OR you mean Above mentioned Porsches, Lambos, and etc. that most cars are out of their league unless you spend $100K plus per car.

You cannot compare a boosted 4 cylinder to a stock V8 or V12.

[ThisorThatxD]

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/323-10th-gen-engine-transmission-forum/390164-2zr-fe-1-8l-turbo-kit.html

ive been checking up on this every now and again. if anything its interesting reading. if they pull through with it, could be interesting.

[xd_kidd]

Ok really? Yea our cars can be smoked by many cars stock if we went f.I but the question is if anything is out. No one cares about your opinion if our cars will last with turbo. If the price justifies the power. And soo on. Not pointing anyone out but in general. Let them be.

[CXTKRS1]

DEFINE real performance cars?

You mean like Camaros and Mustangs etc.. Where people also put thousands into to make faster and still get their doors blown off by STOCK Porsches, Lambos, etc.

OR you mean Above mentioned Porsches, Lambos, and etc. that most cars are out of their league unless you spend $100K plus per car.

You cannot compare a boosted 4 cylinder to a stock V8 or V12.

Fine since you seem to have need to keep this going I will reply to your post. A performance vehicle is one designed from the factory that is built with performance in mind (crazy right). Engine, transmission, chassis, suspension, and a whole host of other things are designed to operate at a different level than a traditional go from point A to B car. Of course their are different levels of performance but in your example one thing you forget to mention is the Camaro SS and the Mustang GT are built from the ground up to be a sports car and are some of the best bang for the buck cars on the road. Hell at a recent N-Ring test a BOSS Mustang placed 3rd beating out the majority of high end European sports cars. Their are bargains to be had as well if you consider how easy it is to mod cars like the Gen Coupe and for 5-6K you can have a Mustang GT pumping out over 500RWHP while still having a factory warranty. BTW I do not need to compare a boosted four cylinder to a NA V8...regular boosted four cylinders like the Mazdaspeed 3, Gen Coupe 2.0T, Cobalt SS, and an SRT 4 are more than powerful enough to get the job done.

[Whack-A-Mole]

^^Somebody sounds butt hurt.

[Resolve]

Fine since you seem to have need to keep this going I will reply to your post.I did not keep this going. Please check the post above mine. The person who actually quoted your post and highlighted that section.

I simply commented and asked what was meant by real performance cars.

A performance vehicle is one designed from the factory that is built with performance in mind (crazy right). Engine, transmission, chassis, suspension, and a whole host of other things are designed to operate at a different level than a traditional go from point A to B car. I think the vehicles I pointed out fall into this section. All of them I just didn't give specific models or anything. So are you trying to make me look stupid or something.

Of course their are different levels of performance but in your example one thing you forget to mention is the Camaro SS and the Mustang GT are built from the ground up to be a sports car and are some of the best bang for the buck cars on the road. OK they come from the factory tuned better and better performance. But still you pay thousands of dollars more for this vehicle over a base Version to make it faster. Only difference is Factory did the work and not you.

Hell at a recent N-Ring test a BOSS Mustang placed 3rd beating out the majority of high end European sports cars.Impressive I admit. PLus here you are actually comparing more power to power.

Their are bargains to be had as well if you consider how easy it is to mod cars like the Gen Coupe and for 5-6K you can have a Mustang GT pumping out over 500RWHP while still having a factory warranty. Nice about power and the factory warrenty, but some people don't want to spend $30k on a Mustang.


BTW I do not need to compare a boosted four cylinder to a NA V8...regular boosted four cylinders like the Mazdaspeed 3, Gen Coupe 2.0T, Cobalt SS, and an SRT 4 are more than powerful enough to get the job done.So this is the only part that really answers my quesiton as far as Define Real performance cars. Are you considering above mentioned car performance. If So I can go along with that compared to are cars they are more performace driven.

I will copy my answer above "OK they come from the factory tuned better and better performance. But still you pay thousands of dollars more for this vehicle over a base Version to make it faster. Only difference is Factory did the work and not you." And just a side note I like the MazdaSpeed 3 personally.

Cobalt is still a Cobalt just with different engine and the SRT 4 is still a Neon :)

I was never bashing anyone or calling anyone out. Just a simple quesiton and you come back basically trying to make sound like I don't know anything. Trying to cut me down and call me out and I didn't even start anything.

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Also I am not saying anything is bad with cars mentioned. I am just referring to the part about putting thousands into them. Based on Vehicle model.

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